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Mary Sue - How to Tell by windfalcon Mary Sue - How to Tell by windfalcon
EDIT 3: 11/22/09 You guys are kidding me XD For goodness sakes, reaaaaad the liink here: [link] Every time I get a comment that reads "the one on the left is a Mary Sue because she has green hair and a power," I realize that they're not reading the description which contains this link: [link]

tl;dr: If 'special' traits fit in with the universe, it doesn't automatically make the character a Mary Sue. What if everyone else in Ami Machida's universe has green/blue/purple hair? What if everyone else has a cat power? Does that make her a Mary Sue? Not necessarily.

Please, spare me the time from having to point you BACK to the silly description and just take a minute to read the link. You know, the one I linked to a bunch of times up above. And the link here: [link]


EDIT 2: 10/11/09 I suppose this is long overdue, but for those of you with confusion, here is an explanation on why I perceive the one on the left as not a Mary Sue: [link] For the love of god stop whining about it D:

EDIT: 6/21/09 Okay, everyone, please chill with all the 'hay is my character a mary-sue!?11" questions. I get about 3 a day now and one thing you need to understand - I AM NOT AN AUTHORITY ON MARY SUES. This picture is a parody. Just for fun. The one on the right is obviously an extreme exaggeration of a stereotype and not the definitive definition for a Mary Sue. D:

Please full view. You won't be able to read the text if you don't.

For those of you who don't know, a Mary Sue, in a nutshell, is a fanmade character that is usually extremely beautiful, powerful, smart, talented, and in plain words, perfect in every way.

These characters tend to be quite a bother in fanfiction and role playing, since they simply can't be beat, and thus become boring.

Have any of you ever been rping, and come across a character who is like, " oh, well, that planet in the way isn't a problem *blows it up*"

Or, is like, "well, Vegeta and Goten and Trunks and Goku ALL have a crush on my character"

Yep. That's a Mary Sue.

So, for people who still don't understand, I made this little picture/diagram. Usually, Mary Sues have TONS of talents and TONS of powers, and no weaknesses.

Enjoy ^_^

-Done in Copic Markers, with the background and text done on computer -
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xNoOneSingsLikeYoux Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018
jingles is my cat's nickname lol
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Andrew-avyx Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2018  Hobbyist
The left character, eh......The right one is amazingly ridiculous and has good material to work off of
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Shizuru-Minamino Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018
I'd like to see the Mary Sue take on Jiren from DBS.  Jiren is almost a stu himself.  Actually, a lot of the Z-Fighters fail to pass the Mary Sue test.  The worst ones to fail the test are indeed Goku and Majin Buu.
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EmmaGam3z Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mary Sue's dont always look really weird and powerful and stuff. LOOK AT ERZA SCARLET'S TITANIA ARMOUR IT MAKES HER LOOK LIKE A GOODESS AND NO ONE INSTANTLY SAYS "Oh thats a Mary Sue" They say she looks cool. A mary sue is just to overpowered. Ami Machida couldve swapped her bio with Jasmyne and got rid of the pet things and it wouldve worked. Again, a Mary Sue is JUST an overpowered character. Not someone with beautiful clothing, crowns, jewels and everything. The looks mean nothing.
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SDWH Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2018
I read the whole thing of the right one's bio,
And wow,
The 'Hobbies' section alone is overkill!!!
Methinks this effectively explains what is and is *not* a Mary Sue. ^w^
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Pasteltedybears Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
her dad is vegeta ok wow I wouldn't be surprised  if she has the power to go ssj blue actually I wouldn't be surprised if she mastered ultra instinct the moment she was born lmao 
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Nightshad3-Art Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018  Student General Artist
Wait, wait, wait. That Mary-Sue's father is VEGETA??? And her mother isn't Bulma. Oof. I can't wait to tell Bulma.
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LEFireFox Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2018  New Deviant
xD
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TheFatPrick Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018
how do i favorite art here?
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Catch-The-Wolf Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
This is awesome! So true! I hate seeing Mary-Sue characters, in like, roleplays or stuff. It's really funny. Great job!
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Chibishiva115 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Same! I have worked on my characters from the past and realized how awful they are with this.
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MidnaMoony Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have lots of characters some have traits from both categories and theyre all different from each other so yeah I guess my characters are uh in between. I dunno.
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Sk6641 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If it is both then it is not a Mary Sue. Probably just the main character in something.
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JetJakalRectrix Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Couldn't have said it better myself
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MidnaMoony Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm honestly more confused. XD
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IgnisLeo Featured By Owner Edited Feb 17, 2018
Well, generally speaking, Mary Sue is the literal focal point of the story, the thing the whole universe revolves around. They are good at everything with no flaws.

A "Normal" OC has flaws and personality traits besides "amazing at everything they do", like the character on the left up there.

If you write a character with traits from both, like for example a shy boy with red hair and unknown powers because of his heritage that has a tendency to run from his problems... He is likely a protagonist. I am not saying it always has to be, but it is a possibility (see: Anime) 

And to give credit where credit is due, I got my information from this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v
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MidnaMoony Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, my characters, there's like a thousand of em. But everyone I try to give them good and bad points. And I give them weird colored hair because of anime. XD
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IgnisLeo Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018
Yeah, me too :)
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Comikel Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Student Digital Artist
I'm a working on character who is a Mary Sue parody and another character who is a Gary Stu parody I don't know what it is but I really love the idea of depicting a Mary Sue and a Gary Stu type being brutally beaten into the ground and then being made fun of by the real main Protagonists
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Can-Cat Featured By Owner Edited Feb 16, 2018  Student Digital Artist
This was too funny. -very cool. :clap:
Of course, a Mary Sue, or Marty Stu, is just too PERFECT to exist, even in a fictional universe. :nod:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

I've been watching Star Trek: TNG. Ow! Wesley Crusher? No offense to the actor, who was just doing his job. But, really, Gene? Really? 
It's incredible Captain Picard can put up with him. :shrug:

Picard Facepalm Emoticon 
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Kitten-in-disguise Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018
Sad to admit I use to be infected with the Mary Sue Syndrome when I first started out rping. Luckily, now that I not only have more experience/ written my own stories, I am far from any characters of mine being a Mary Sue. Awesome art. Love the parody.
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feathersburning Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The parody is great!
Personally I think creating/placing a Mary Sue in the story you want is great as a tutorial for RP or writing - can't tell you how many character sheets my old tabletop went through. We all do it. Just... no one else actually wants to read about your flawless stand-in. So they're great for practice and should never be published.
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NoctisAxtonAurora Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
I think that all of us are guilty of this at one point... but the major offenders of this here? As I said in reply to another comment on this picture... Video Gamers. Going right from Video Games to RPing/Story writing means your first OC/Character will be 90% this as you're so used to seeing the hero walk away from the final boss fight without a single scratch physically or mentally which is a common thing with games now days but there are a few games I could list from past that are able to really shatter that "The main heroes are unkillable" way of thinking... namely Mass Effect 2. Sure Shep dies at the start of the game and gets revived making you think you only have a health and shield/barrier bar for gameplay reasons... but then if you somehow fucked up so bad during the final parts of the game you get the shocking twist off Shep falling to his/her death at the very end of Mass Effect 2, even when he/she should be "immortal" because they was brought back from the dead.

Another game that has an major thing about being fragile which is another thing most gamers who go into RP/Story writting for the first time forget about, anyway the game I'd pick for this is the Monster Hunter games. There is no level there, no small number with the words "Power Rating" on it. You're just a fragile human who takes on beasts that can be 10 times their own size but how do they do that when they can't tank the damage that the massive ass monsters can deal to your character? Simple your character gets stronger by making stronger weapons and armor but in Monster Hunter games going for the best defence is not the best thing due to armor skills. Sometimes having an boost to attack is better then having a higher defence besides each monster has a visual animation of the attack they are gonna do, giving you time to avoid the incoming damage. I mean sure high defence helps if you mess up avoiding an attack, but as I said you're not meant to be able to tank damage in Monster Hunter as if your an D&D Great Fighter.

So yeah bottom line is... most Mary Sues (and what ever the name is for the male counterpart) are usually made from a gamer's set of mind where the hero is meant to be untouchable and only gets hit if we the player fuck it up, which since there is no "person with a controller, controlling the hero aka their character in an RP/Story" they rarely if at all get hit or lose a fight. I too am guilty of this in the past... but now days with a lot of games factoring "Respawing" into the game's lore like it's part of Destiny's lore that as long as a Guardian's Ghosts remains alive, it's Guardian can never truly die for good. We can depending on certain factors allow our characters to die as they will just "respawn" providing it fits the lore.
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feathersburning Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Someone above said "Gary Stu" so that's what I'm gonna roll with.
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Sorathebird Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So in this definition of a Mary sue basically if you can say they are god then calm down a bit (lol)
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Thepenguinrapist Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
It's an exaggeration, but it gets the point across. 
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Sorathebird Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yea but you know you made the ultimate Mary sue of they can be described as god. Sorry I'm just joking around but I do understand what you are talking about : )
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Thepenguinrapist Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
This is why I take pride in the very human flaws of the characters I write. For me, it's the flaws that make my characters so enjoyable to write. Whether it's paranoia from being raised in the military, reluctance to fight due to murdering people in the line of duty in war as a child, or even so skilled in one type of combat that they've neglected other aspects of their training. 
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Sorathebird Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree on that 👍🏽
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warriorssos11 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018
yup that sounds about right
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Swaggie--Vortex Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow... My Little Miss persona, Little Miss Swag is mostly the girl on the left side..
Although she can die, but she does resurrect within two days and she can get hurt real bad...

If you ask why I say left side: SHE IS BASED ON MYSELF IN A LITTLE MISS FORM WITH EPIC POWERS BASED ON TALENT AND EMOTION!!
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emilybee Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018   Photographer
In some aspects, even the one on the left could be under the right circumstances a "Mary-Sue".  

The problem is the definition of "Mary-Sue" has some variations, and generally it can be just any female character people find annoying for certain faults that are too unlikable.  For example, a strong female character is well liked by some but hated by others who are anti-feminist.  The other issue is, in avoiding a mary-due you THEN fall into the trap at times of creating a one-note or single persona 2D character who is often a stereotype.

Obviously, most Mary-Sue's have clear common traits agrees on, like in the My Little Pony fandom a "Alicorn" OC is hated because its seen as lazy, an attempt to make a "all powerful" character with little effort.. Possibly to also give them a position of authority.  Those who do avoid the obious trait of going for an Alicorn, instead often go for a unicorn or Pegasus instead and both can fall into the same traps, especially the unicorns as they are MLP's magic users.  Very few OCs are "Earth Ponies" despite them having a number of magical traits too, simply because their viewed as "mundane" or boring, even though the Earth Ponies are known for their incredible acts of physical strength and being one with nature, being the only one of 3 races who can do farming successfully on a long period as Pegasi and Unicorns lack the stamina and endurance to work for hours in laborious jobs. 
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Orangeblobo Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Honestly I like that the Mary Sue example has "special" colored hair that isn't rainbow
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JB-Pawstep Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018
The parents of the mary sue made me laugh xD
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Psygcosis507 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's obvious and predictable that Mary Sue/Gary Stu are being overrated powered with no apparent reasons.
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TabGi Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haha, pretty clever. Also, Prince Vegeta is what killed it XD
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Honest-Criminal Featured By Owner Edited Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it honestly depends on what the world is like that they're in. like, if it's considered more normal or mainstream to not be entirely human. if it's just a normal world and the character is SUPER OP, then yes, that character is definitely a mary-sue. if a character doesn't have a weakness nor a way to be defeated then that's just poor and extremely boring writing.
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Neon-Calypso Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018
This is from 2004? I feel so old...
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MahouShoujoIceStar Featured By Owner Edited Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Usually there's a distinction in High-fantasy worlds where it's possible to be extremely powerful and being beautiful is no issue because of magic. I've no problem with it as long as it's balanced out with fair weaknesses and there's no power-playing. I've got characters that are beings as powerful as dragons, or teleporting unicorns, or mages that can communicate with evil deities and cast curses upon villages - but they are all balanced out and their powers fit within the lore of the universe. For example, there's a powerful association of benevolent mages in the world called the Circle of Magi that watches for evil uses of magic and will cast down mages that are getting too close to messing with the world's state.

 I think it's for more important to have a well-rounded character with a versatile personality. And to communicate with your roleplay partners before you make the use of great powers, especially things like possession and curses.

 For example, in my world there are ancient vampires called Higher Vampire ( Witcher 3 equivalent. Think Unseen Elder.) They can devastate entire towns if they wish. But being exposed to sun, salt or silver boils their bodies from the inside out. They can't be near creatures like Unicorns either because they are too pure.


And while your 'non sue' character might be less annoying to roleplay with, she is still a very cliché and flat character that I have seen portrayed many times before.  There is nothing there that makes me feel that she has any real personality or presence to her. So while she may not be a mary sue, she is not a very interesting character that I would want to roleplay with.

 
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Cupcakeswirlls Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Dang, the one on the right looks like she's a goddess.  Everything about the right one looks like a Mary Sue for sure. How can you miss it?
The left one is simple, not too overpowered and has decent features. I would recommend the left one. :D
BTW good example and drawing! :3
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IllegalCatToss Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ami is pretty OP
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PinkPalletta Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
A classic, I remember this one.
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ariko-yamato Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
They're both Mary Sues. Why is this garbage on the front page again? 
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Cupcakeswirlls Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey, don't say that to someone's artwork! It's rude. Just sayin' the more you start juding meanly to artists of their work, the more of a horrible artist you'll become. Oh, yeah it's not garbage. If you have nothing nice to say then don't say it. 
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Cheesy-Doodles Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Pfft jealous much 😂.

Or at least it definitely seems like it.
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loonria Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
nobody asked 
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Emeraldz258 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
BuzzOff!  
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Alphaflyte Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2018
I don't think so, look more closely. This is on the front page because it's good art and entertaining to read, please refrain from leaving rude comments on excellent drawers' pages. I believe you're actually jealous, but that may be just me.
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MahouShoujoIceStar Featured By Owner Edited Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Honestly, it's likely on the front page not because of the art - but because the message is very relatable with most of the community. I wouldn't go as far as to say that this work is 'excellent.' But it gets the point across effectively. This piece is from 2004, so obviously this isn't going to be very good compared to the artist's newest works.
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Alphaflyte Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018
Also true, but I think the art is pretty cute
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