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Mary Sue - How to Tell by windfalcon Mary Sue - How to Tell by windfalcon
EDIT 3: 11/22/09 You guys are kidding me XD For goodness sakes, reaaaaad the liink here: [link] Every time I get a comment that reads "the one on the left is a Mary Sue because she has green hair and a power," I realize that they're not reading the description which contains this link: [link]

tl;dr: If 'special' traits fit in with the universe, it doesn't automatically make the character a Mary Sue. What if everyone else in Ami Machida's universe has green/blue/purple hair? What if everyone else has a cat power? Does that make her a Mary Sue? Not necessarily.

Please, spare me the time from having to point you BACK to the silly description and just take a minute to read the link. You know, the one I linked to a bunch of times up above. And the link here: [link]


EDIT 2: 10/11/09 I suppose this is long overdue, but for those of you with confusion, here is an explanation on why I perceive the one on the left as not a Mary Sue: [link] For the love of god stop whining about it D:

EDIT: 6/21/09 Okay, everyone, please chill with all the 'hay is my character a mary-sue!?11" questions. I get about 3 a day now and one thing you need to understand - I AM NOT AN AUTHORITY ON MARY SUES. This picture is a parody. Just for fun. The one on the right is obviously an extreme exaggeration of a stereotype and not the definitive definition for a Mary Sue. D:

Please full view. You won't be able to read the text if you don't.

For those of you who don't know, a Mary Sue, in a nutshell, is a fanmade character that is usually extremely beautiful, powerful, smart, talented, and in plain words, perfect in every way.

These characters tend to be quite a bother in fanfiction and role playing, since they simply can't be beat, and thus become boring.

Have any of you ever been rping, and come across a character who is like, " oh, well, that planet in the way isn't a problem *blows it up*"

Or, is like, "well, Vegeta and Goten and Trunks and Goku ALL have a crush on my character"

Yep. That's a Mary Sue.

So, for people who still don't understand, I made this little picture/diagram. Usually, Mary Sues have TONS of talents and TONS of powers, and no weaknesses.

Enjoy ^_^

-Done in Copic Markers, with the background and text done on computer -
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DoktorrSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Actually, it's a very stereotype anime character.
Maybe you should read this: comments.deviantart.com/1/5470…
Having some powers and different colors doesnt make it a mary sue.
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arial-the-biscuit Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016  New Deviant Student Digital Artist
considering this was made in 2004, it's kinda outdated.
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DoktorrSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well the person commented 2 days ago, so is their comment outdated?
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arial-the-biscuit Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016  New Deviant Student Digital Artist
sure.
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2016
I need update my response.

Traits are not a sign of a bad character. Regardless if you may personally feel that they are used by every other writer.
In fact they are no more of a tool than settings or the story.

It's how you write them that makes them bad.

"There are no such thing as bad characters, only bad writers". - Me

This is merely a knee jerk reaction. A response to bad writers writing badly.
And the traits most people attribute to this misnomer, "Mary Sue", are just victims of circumstance.

In fact these rants are quite toxic to your fellow writers, novice or good, because you are sending a message that experimenting and taking risk to improve your skills is frowned upon in general and that only some vague set of guidelines is the correct way for character development.

If you truly followed just about every "Mary Sue" rant, the only logical conclusion you can come to in terms of a character is a boring dullard. Bland, average and unexciting. And why would you want to bore your audience? Or the other end, an attention seeking avatar of the writer. Because no trait is more endearing than being a shallow needy asshole.

I do have some actually good advice for y'all which might help with your writing that I wrote myself.
timewap1.deviantart.com/journa…
Feel free to gander and/or mock.

I hope you don't take this as an insult. I have left many other responses on similar rants.

But someone has to start putting their foot down because all this misinformation is making our generation of writers into pitiful weak willed fame munchers.

And the less I say about Stephine Myers the better.
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Nocturnal-Sunlight Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2016
Well, overpowered-ness is often frowned upon, regardless of the quality of the writing.
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2016
No bad writing is frowned upon.

If that were the case, DC comics must be the most loathsome creators this side of twilight.
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Nocturnal-Sunlight Featured By Owner 2 days ago
DC is a big company. Big companies often get away with horrendous writing, becuase in people's eyes it's still "awesome".

Not claiming that DC has bad writers, though. Haven't read any of their comic books.
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Edited 2 days ago
Some people drink gasoline with mountaindew thinking that they'll get drunk instead of a painful death.

I don't trust people as far as they know any better.
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ArtsyClutz Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Technically Every Single Mary Sue has a Flaw! The flaw is that their a Mary Sue
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2015  Professional Artist
mary-sues & marty-stus does not have flaws cause they're flawless beings LOL xD
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DealWithFinland Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist Artist
dont forget gary-stus !! X3
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2015  Professional Artist
haha I won't x)
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DealWithFinland Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist Artist
X3 
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Bakasura2 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2015  New Deviant
I am sceptical with the left character. To me she is like an anti-Sue, not a normal character. I find her boring, she has a lame power (That has to depend on the Universe, there are fictional Universes were shooting lightning with your hand isn't anything special and won't impress anyone, others where magic isn't supposed to exist so anything would be exceptional. But still, in any Universe with magic I know, I would have found her power lame), has no noticeable talent besides that, and tons of weaknesses (she is physically average at best ("not very athletic"), emotionally weak ("cries too much"), not very smart from a Cartesian point of view ("bad at maths"), clumsy... is she actually good at anything ?). Like the author was so afraid of creating a Mary Sue that he gave her as few talent/power as possible while giving her a lot of weaknesses.

We all agree, though, that the right character is definitely a Mary Sue. Even I who like very powerful character (if it's justified in the Universe of the character) and won't accuse of Mary Sue that easily (or will even not have a problem with actual Mary Sue characters), am just thinking "wtf is that monster ?".
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Professional Artist
I agree with every words you've said + too me both characters are boring & lame as f^ck
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2015
I think the left needs to be edited with "Uncreative" than "Interesting"

Also...what loser uses Grade Point Average for a bio?
That shit isn't even interesting to bring up for small talk unless you were talking to a recruiter.
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Professional Artist
true so true
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CookieDaFlareonKitte Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2015   Digital Artist
The one on the right (The Mary sue) looks like, and sounds like the main character of a Barbie movie XD 
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Professional Artist
yesh she looks like she is LOL :D :D
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ThicketWorks Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015  New Deviant Student Traditional Artist
But there's also the stereotypical mary sue...
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Paralyzed-Chan Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015
To be honest, that unicorn looks so done-
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2015  Professional Artist
LOL :D :D
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NathaliaYagami Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015
... This Mary Sue looks so creepy O_O

Amazing work! ^w^
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Griffonmender Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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   This is a series of tutorials for those of you wondering how not to end up with the one on the right. ^ ^
It's very informative, and much more useful than the supposed "mary sue litmus tests".

Speaking of which, avoid mary-sue litmus tests like the PLAGUE, most of the questions tend to be arbitrary, (such as whether or not you've ever cosplayed them, or if they are blonde and blue-eyed) and one test does NOT fit all universes/canons/what-have-you.
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Griffonmender Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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For those of you wondering how not to make the one on the right
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Red-Jirachi-2 Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2015
Someone ships Vegeta and Serenity?
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DragonKing0602 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2015
*look at O.C on the left*Oh, thats a pretty nice O.C..

*looks to the right and eyes catch fire* GAH! IT BURNS!
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KionaAura Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, if Twilight Sparkle wasn't canon, she'd be a perfect example of a Mary Sue.
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kneestocking96 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015
Actually, Twilight wouldn't qualify.
She doesn't fit the criteria for Mary Sue.
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KionaAura Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
She does. Depending on breaking canon, we never even know that this can happen when she becomes an alicorn. Who's the princess of friendship. I gets it's a kids show, but come on! Lets argue about this slightly. 
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kneestocking96 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
A Mary Sue is "perfect", Twilight certainly isn't.
She has numerous personality flaws, and while she is powerful, her power isn't limitless. (The Tirek fight from the Season 4 finale doesn't count, at the time she also possessed Celestia, Luna and Cadence's magic in addition to her own)

If you're going to argue that she's a Mary Sue entirely because she's an alicorn, and happens to be the princess of friendship, then your argument is invalid. Yes, she did become an alicorn, and yes, she did become the Princess of Friendship, but there was build-up to both of these events.

If Twilight had started off as a princess, with unlimited power and absolutely zero flaws whatsoever, then yes, she would be a Mary Sue. However, she didn't and isn't.
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KionaAura Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Your points are valid. Twilight, before she was an alicorn certainly wouldn't be a Mary sue. But what was the point of making her an alicorn? It seemed pointless. And if she was going to be a alicorn, then AT LEAST the people that helped her become a friend at all (Pinkie, Rarity, Apple Jack, Rainbow Dash, and Fluttershy) should also be one. Twilight wasn't a Mary Sue before, but the alicorn thing was... pretty terrible on the shows part. A poor playing with a good puppet.
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DrawingGirl4 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Her becoming an alicorn was character development and build up.. I think Tommy's video explains it best  www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnokGc…
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kneestocking96 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
A character cannot become a Mary Sue. Either they were one from the beginning, or they're not a Mary Sue.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2015
That goes for many main characters.
Son Goku, Captain Kirk, Superman, you name it.
But since the world was written for them, they fit in.
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KitsuneGoddess1 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Not Goku cause he is not perfect. Superman, fuck yes. 
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2015  Professional Artist
goku is a marty-stu/gary-stu
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KitsuneGoddess1 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Lmao
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2015  Professional Artist
LOL xD
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KionaAura Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess so.
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2016  Professional Artist
so twilight is not an mary-sue
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KionaAura Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
True. It makes sense in her universe. Non-proved. (Guys, this is October we're talking about; I was new to the concept.) 
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2016  Professional Artist
you good :iconfblikeplz:
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KionaAura Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
:happy: 
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XWhiteWolfv Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
:Looks at Mary sue character: 

To much brightness! It's too perfect! Why is it so bright AHAH! D:

:Looks at non Mary sue character:

MI CASA ES TU CASA!
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SmashingStar64 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
Rose should fight with Metallic Tyler
Metallic Tyler essentially is god
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ScholaroftheUniverse Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I like the fact that all of the animals in the Mary Sue's panel are glaring at her XD
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GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2016  Professional Artist
LOL :giggle: :D :laughing:
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