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Mary Sue - How to Tell by windfalcon Mary Sue - How to Tell by windfalcon
EDIT 3: 11/22/09 You guys are kidding me XD For goodness sakes, reaaaaad the liink here: [link] Every time I get a comment that reads "the one on the left is a Mary Sue because she has green hair and a power," I realize that they're not reading the description which contains this link: [link]

tl;dr: If 'special' traits fit in with the universe, it doesn't automatically make the character a Mary Sue. What if everyone else in Ami Machida's universe has green/blue/purple hair? What if everyone else has a cat power? Does that make her a Mary Sue? Not necessarily.

Please, spare me the time from having to point you BACK to the silly description and just take a minute to read the link. You know, the one I linked to a bunch of times up above. And the link here: [link]


EDIT 2: 10/11/09 I suppose this is long overdue, but for those of you with confusion, here is an explanation on why I perceive the one on the left as not a Mary Sue: [link] For the love of god stop whining about it D:

EDIT: 6/21/09 Okay, everyone, please chill with all the 'hay is my character a mary-sue!?11" questions. I get about 3 a day now and one thing you need to understand - I AM NOT AN AUTHORITY ON MARY SUES. This picture is a parody. Just for fun. The one on the right is obviously an extreme exaggeration of a stereotype and not the definitive definition for a Mary Sue. D:

Please full view. You won't be able to read the text if you don't.

For those of you who don't know, a Mary Sue, in a nutshell, is a fanmade character that is usually extremely beautiful, powerful, smart, talented, and in plain words, perfect in every way.

These characters tend to be quite a bother in fanfiction and role playing, since they simply can't be beat, and thus become boring.

Have any of you ever been rping, and come across a character who is like, " oh, well, that planet in the way isn't a problem *blows it up*"

Or, is like, "well, Vegeta and Goten and Trunks and Goku ALL have a crush on my character"

Yep. That's a Mary Sue.

So, for people who still don't understand, I made this little picture/diagram. Usually, Mary Sues have TONS of talents and TONS of powers, and no weaknesses.

Enjoy ^_^

-Done in Copic Markers, with the background and text done on computer -
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:iconedagamex:
EDaGamex Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2015  Student Artist
they both suck.
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zoeann0719 Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2015
It may not be a Mary sue but a NEKO is way to over used
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JeffKillerFangirl Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  New member Hobbyist Digital Artist
  That one on the right, it looks like you followed these rules: glittercandy.deviantart.com/ar…
  (By :iconglittercandy:)
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oO-a-shton-Oo Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  New member Hobbyist Digital Artist
One on the left (Ami) is very original
While the blonde headed, green eyed girl (Jasmyne) is too, bluuugghhhh!
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LyordMorado Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015  New member
Wow, people think that the one on the left is a Mary sue.

Did they not look at the one on the right, or do people just think that being 1\2 of everything and being perfect is realistic?

I'm just gonna assume that people can't read.

Also tomboyish =/= Mary Sue. Being feminine doesn't make you better than anyone else.
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Mia-feather Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2015
what does mary sue mean 
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Brotherhood-Paladin Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015
A perfect character that has no development and is perfect. The most important thing on here I think is that the one on the right has no weaknesses. That is not a character. Everyone must have some kind of mental or physical weakness.
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:iconpepperedsoda:
PepperedSoda Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015   Artist
ya now, theyre both not a mary sue. because. in the end. Were so afraid that people will scream at us MARY SUE YOUR SO BAD! I HATE YOUR ART! so your making people more afraid then ever
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NlKlTA Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Student Writer
Well concidering this was made 11 years ago, I guess times changed
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catgirl140 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
A couple of special traits explained well isn't a Mary Sue but a bucket load with no realistic reason is. The main way to prevent creating a Mary Sue is making sure it fits the universe it's set in. :)

Unless the universe created is bad too :T
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MUGENRobotThunderGod Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015
misslunarose.deviantart.com/art/What-Is-a-Mary-Sue-412495707
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Vivian-Lark Featured By Owner Edited Jan 5, 2015
i think you've got this wrong,
A mary sue isn't always like that.  Maybe the one on the right is a goddess and that's why she's so perfect.  It's all about how the creator portrays their character.  Not how many powers they have.
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VinylLuna Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
When I see good characters like your character Ami my face looks like this:Big Grin 
But when I see a damn Mary Sue or a Gary Stu then this is my face:Anger 
Great job describing the difference,because this usually happens with MS and GS's:
Kurimu Sakurano (Dere) [V1] (Mary Sue) "Um move out of my way Stupid!I can destroy you just by looking at you!"
Gohan (Teleport) [V1] (Gohan disappears)
Kurimu Sakurano (Sparkle Eyes) [V1] "Ha! He was soooooo scared!"
Gohan (Teleport) [V1] (Reappears with a shotgun)"Buh-Bye!"


R.I.P Mary Sue who was 1/2 Namekian, 1/2 Saiyan, 1/2 human and 1/2 Angel.
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WordlessRickian47 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  Student Writer
I'm getting a feeling it's the one on the right, but I'm not certain. X3 Great job. I honestly wasn't sure what a Mary Sue was before this. Thanks.
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Shizuru-Minamino Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014
You know "cannot die" can have drawbacks and can be a weakness. Look at Ed and Al's father, Van Hohenheim. For a long time, he couldn't die, even though he wished he could. Well at least not until the destruction of Father. Unable to die can be considered a weakness, like if Jasmyne's mother dies and young Jasmyne lacks the ability to cross worlds to see her again. I submit this example shizuru-minamino.deviantart.co… . Martha is unable to die and can't get pregnant due to being immortal. This is really a weakness for her, rather than a strength or any sort of power.
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DERPIII Featured By Owner Edited Dec 29, 2014
...D'aww, Satoshi didn't get together with Naomi.
....Assuming you mean Corpse Party's Satoshi, his last name is Mochida.
Ah, well. Ami seems like a nice girl.
But Jasmyne is an eyesore. lol
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GlitchedSanity Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
pssst- His last name was Machida--
not mochida


also

Naomi x Seiko ftw 
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DERPIII Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
I ship it too! :3
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:iconglitchedsanity:
GlitchedSanity Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good!

-will never ship satoshi with Naomi cuz Satoshi x Yuka--
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NiftyNautilus Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, the one who's part cat, but is otherwise a regular teenage girl is a pretty believable. The Mary Sue, conversely...:iconeewplz:
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SevenStepsAway Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
The right one got me epilepsy. Thanks, Satan^^
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TheMadameVastra Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014  Professional General Artist
The struggle is real.
My best friend has like 10 Mary Sue OCs. I beta for her fanfiction. I am a really strict beta (don't get me wrong, though, I'm not terrible! I want to be fair, and I praise the good stuff) and whenever I point out one of the biggest flaws (for instance, she has a character that has wings, double eye colors, eVERY SINGLE BOY IS IN LOVE WITH HER, she's an alien but looks perrrrrrrrfectly human, and so on) she goes "It's an alternate universe, I can do anything."
She's been my best friend since 3rd grade and I don't want to make her feel horrible but I just..... 'Alternate universe' is not an excuse. 'It's my story' is not an excuse. I am a fanfiction writer and reader, and I know a Mary Sue when I see one. I want to be fair but at the same time I want to be clear that she canNOT keep on making Mary Sues or she will burn and crash in the fanfiction world.
Tsk.
Anyway, I really like your art! I can't believe it's so old. I might be getting Copic markers for Christmas.
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pikachuiscoolio Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
TheMadameVastra, if you really want to be a good friend you ought to pull her out of the tomb your friend is digging for herself.

Unless things have changed in the past month, seeing as I'm posting this comment on Dec. 13.

This may be her alternate universe, but it's sure as hell going to be a boring one if her character is perfect. A good story needs some excitement and goals, and that won't happen if the main character has everything she wants and a million boys swooning after her.
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Ask-James-DemonFire Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
*makes whining sound because of Mary Sue*  shEs uglY but tHe Ami giRl is cutE and tHe maRy suE can't haVe thaT manY halFs if it was HundReds I wouLd unDer staNd and The Mary suE isnT weaRing a Bra............heR baCk musT huRt aloT
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Tilax21 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2014  Student Digital Artist
My reactions:

Left: Huh, nice character you got there.

Right: OMFG, TOO MUCH COLORS! D:
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VespidOlive Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2014
Ami is adorable! The Sue on the other hand.....it makes me want to vomit.
Ami:
la in love 
Mary Sue:
:kiwf: Fire Emoticon Avatar 
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Yavanni Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Very good points. ;D
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KikiAndBri Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I cannot believe this pic is 10 years old.
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Geminice Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2014
nicely done.
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Unknown-Protagonist Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
how do I tell a person that their character is a Marysue or shouldn't I?

(it's a character with a tragic background, as much power as one of the most powerful man in the series, she is twelve, she wears really not child-like clothing, is immune to poison and joined a dangerous criminal group and is already skill full and clever as a grown up)
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TheJumpyFox Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well i'm not exactly the expert on this topic but here's what I think. When deciding whether or not to tell the person you should probably consider how the person feels about the character (Do they like it or not?). If they like the character just say you feel like the character is too cliche and offer to help them improve it. After all why dump a character in the trash when you can just rework it into a good character? If they don't like it you should offer to help them improve it. Just remember to be patient and don't outright attack them for that character. Just a thought, good luck and I hope you can help them improve ;)
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Unknown-Protagonist Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks you very much for your advice! It's really helpful!
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TheJumpyFox Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad to help! :)
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pezziepants Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly, the one on the left looks more like  a mary sue. Cat person. Different colored hair. Loves video games. Has a cat. Can turn into a cat. Unique eye color.
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pokemontrainergirl Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree.
I know Sues whem I see them, and Ami's dangerously close to the halfway mark.

Reason #1: Plays video games. Yeah, we don't need to know that. Every character in history likes video games.

Reason #2: Neko. 'Nuff said.

Reason #3: Unique eye colours aren't unique anymore....... sorry.

Reason #4: Screw transformation powers. Demon sourcery is the new transfiguration.

NUFF SAID! :3
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BlackLightning95 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist
Did this mean that Girls are Not allowed to like video games?
Oh and i have Green in my hair too ;) in the manga world it's complet normal that the Person have special hair Color or eye Color and nekos are totaly normal too.
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pezziepants Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
naw, girls are allowed to like video games. everyone should be allowed to like whatever they like <3
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MissTicci Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
That's what I thought -_
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Bunchuii Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
-character has a colour in their hair
MSUT BE SUUUUEEEEEEE 
- character owns pet
SUE SUE SUUUHEUEUHEUEUEEEEEEEE
- character enjoys playing video games
BUTRN THE SOOO AT THES TAAKE SUE SOOU SUEYEUEEEW
- character has coloured eyes
FK N SOOES EVER WHAER THRWO ITOFF A CLIFFFFFFFFFFFFFGFGGFFFF
- character exists
SSSSSSUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEREREREEEEEEEWEEREWEEEEEEE

because hair dye and contact lenses don't exist. Because whatever planet this character lives on is a clone copy of earth right down to the beings that live on it, so cat people can't possibly exist. Right?
Because people can't play video games or own pets. Nope, that's impossible, nobody I know irl has a pet or plays video games, where would they even get them from???//?/??/??????/?

holy hell you're a boring fck
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pezziepants Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
your ignorance amuses me
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Bunchuii Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As does yours for me.
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pezziepants Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
well we both have something in common then c=
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Bunchuii Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad we resolved this quietly
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pezziepants Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
in front of like all the people currently reading this
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:iconbunchuii:
Bunchuii Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well at least it wasn't a case of throwing capslock insults every which way
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RyugaSSJ3 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Heck,I'm not so perfect. I have flaws like I'm not smart in maths or not able to learn languages or cannot cook and I'm a much better and interesting character compared to Mary-Sues.
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Tarin-san Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2014  Student Filmographer
Tip : If you really want a powerful character in your story. Don't forget to balance him/her with flaws and give him a specific role in the world you created. Think about how the human psychology works and how would people act if your character is so powerful. They will get greedy, jelous, annoyed or even worse. Your powerfull character might get missused or hated for their power. So the fact that they are different can also be a form of a flaw.

Its also good to explain why they are so powerfull.

For example my strongest character creates some kind of balance and order in the world. But that doesnt mean he has no flaws or problems in his own personal life. There are things that power cannot fix, there are things that he doesnt know how to fix and also his ability makes him weird for the world he lives him. Hated, alone, broken yet carring on.

Anyways. I hope this comment will help someone. Maybe. →.→

Btw I love the picture. Alot!
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lionman0812 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
the  mary sue sucks!
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