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"Father: Prince Vegeta"
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I'm sure you didn't mean it like a rule, but just simplified the essence, but that won't help some people out there ^^
So I don't think just giving characters big flaws for big talents make them any better necessarily, but either way: What I meant is simply you cant simplify everything, it is depending on the circumstances. For example let's say we make a story about athletes... it would be outright strange when the top 10 runners for example all have a specific flaw which is meant as a contrast.
On the contrary: We create a world with ESP, why not making them go through a headache for it, proportional to potential power. That wouldn't be strange it flows into the story, you can even easily create one being who doesn't have a headache and for that is a test subject.
So it is depending on what you are wishing to create, for another short example, I don't think you need the headache for ESP if everyone is able to do it or a majority, even if someone is explicit powerful, as long it isn't unique just rare he mustn't have any more flaw (A flaw originating from himself), though he might be socially shunned in different ways.
one point though a Mary Sue must not be that bad, if the character is placed correctly and develops from there (something which works just fine with character who are posing as the big ultimate enemy of sorts and through the story there will be revealed what the weak points are)
Another prominent example I know is when you specifically create a own story and insert a certain amount of 'Mary sues' power like, but giving their characters interesting twists (example: story about vampires who are decedents of demons, so the highest ups tend to be mary sues power like, but hold themselves in a kind of balance... and have always in a way a few screws loose here and there. Those characters are not meant to be build for combat, but for plot and to show their complex nature, like the forced urge to live but hating it, loathing their existence but still be forced to want to must stay alive. Boredom added they can have some interesting quirks and still be 'unbeatable', but simply because that's not what they were made for, not for battle, but for character complexity which will be told in the story)
But as it was stated, Mary Sue is depending on the context you are using them...
The most annoying part I have encountered concerning Mary Sues, is a forced Mary Sue in written rpgs... You develop your character to be mid-class to tending high-class, so that he will be able to fight alongside the usual main character of an already existing story, just a nick weaker and with different flaws. All is going well, you are step by step growing accustomed to the character, start to give him even more weaknesses or quirks for the fun... and the plot stagnates because somehow the main character loses where he SHOULD not lose. Loosing this fight is unlogical, so the group must win, but why the hell are they slayed like fleas by a cough by a mid-boss-san?, you have to save the day and step by step your char is the strongest without you even wanting to.
Another example, you are playing, fully on purpose and planned by the whole crew a uber being, as tutor and plot advancer... suddenly all character try to pick a fight with him, that was never the intention, conclusion it reads as a unpleasant mary sue... Best part of it, others won't play another uber to balance this, wich would be much appreciated to smooth out the plot